Allakazam chat tonight

**Phank**

I was promised there would be a Crusader question in the queue. Whether or not the right Dev is there to answer is another story. Chat is tonight at 8pm EST.

**Grimgrave**

kiara: The second question is: (BlackphoenixZ) Following the Ranger and the Coercer revamp from the last 2 LU's, will we continue to see a revamp to a class every LU for sometime? if so, could you tell us what classes are being worked atm?

Aeralik: A lot of classes could use a little bit of attention like the rangers and coercers. However, at the moment there are no plans for anything as radical as those two. Thats not to say there won't be anything done but it will probably be smaller changes for the next few updates.

We are screwed.

**Tiberuis** · 05/08/2008 19:19:46

/agree

Shadowknights Rejoice!

We are screwed.

**seamus**

Sad.

Well, I know many here aren't big fans of WOW, but they just released a ton of info on the next expansion and the Death Knight class. Pretty sweet. Do you hear that SOE?

Check out WOW Insider, Gamespy (PC section) and WorldofWar.net if you are interested. My favorite ability I've seen is the ability to rez an ally as a ghoul that fights for you. SMILEY

**Phank**

So much for that.

Crusaders are S.O.L., Shadowknights look to remain a joke.

That's cool. More time to spend with the family I guess.

**Grimgrave** · 05/09/2008 10:41:25

Well WoW is looking good right now. I played it as a ranger before, and enjoyed the short run of it. Should go back to that.

I'm not saying i Didn't have fun here.. Its been a challangeing run. But the issues have just built up way to much over time.. At first it was the EoF Dogmatic suit... I was mildly pist off about it once i saw it.. Cause I was rather anticipating Set Gear to the game. So this set blew me off saying i need to get the raid set...

Of course i don't have the magical drop luck, Ive seen every full suit besides SK's on numerouse runs of these places, and I mean tons of runs.

Literally I'm just tired of this game, I cant tell whether its the fact that, the New Raid zones have so little gear to even upgrade to ...Cause we where blown off again with Demonguard... Or the nullifying tactics of these mobs... The gear wise is alot actually, cause i can only be the same after so much time.. Though haveing Mobs built to make your class suck worse in operating is not fun either.

ahh well, I think the reasoning on those two classes got done, Coecers, rangers.. was because they where the on that poll of thiers in dev circle forum...once it got down to doing a tank, its like "Up its time to disapear" attitude.

I can disagree with ideas, But I know one thing, these problems are real, People are not makeing topic after topic on this just for fun. the sheer numbers speak out. yet its blatently being ignored and dragged on. And some of this stuff is so easy to see, its like an eyesore especially on the gear graphs and they still ignore it.

point is, we can still make post after post after post in hopes of what is not to come, or just give up. Its clear regardless how many threads we make at this point, and no matter how many ideas are given, there will be nothing done or solved...

The least they could do is open up the betrayal for this class, to which you can choose whatever fighter to goto instead of forced to be pally... But they will fight tooth and nail before they will give the respect to do that.

Darkc · 05/09/2008 11:09:25

To be honest, I really don't agree with all the "Doom and Gloom" lately... which resulted from other classes getting revamps and instead of trying to make an educated case, we're whining and crying like the kid that saw his little sister get a lollipop.

There's a few lvl 80 revamps coming up of older zones from what I understand (like Runnyeye). I'm sure it'll be packed with multi encounters like the lvl 35ish version. SKs will be in demand for those again. For raiding, VP / Trak / Avatar gear really is very nice for SKs... we just need something to get us in the raids to get such gear. I don't think a full class revamp is needed for that.

**Aeralik**

Grimgrave@Mistmoore wrote:

ahh well, I think the reasoning on those two classes got done, Coecers, rangers.. was because they where the on that poll of thiers in dev circle forum...once it got down to doing a tank, its like "Up its time to disapear" attitude.

To be honest, Coercers were never even scheduled for gu45. I got ahead of schedule and had some time so I proposed some changes and then implemented them. For gu46, I don't see this happening although we do have some smaller impact changes going in. For beyond that, its largely like I said I don't currently have a plans to do a coercer like update for any class. Can that change though? Yes its possible but for now there are no plans for that.

**CHIMPNOODLE.** · 05/09/2008 11:11:20

Darkc wrote:

To be honest, I really don't agree with all the "Doom and Groom" lately...

Same....but I'm purposely staying out of most of those threads to not sabotage the chance of getting more candy! lol.

Oh, and thanks for poppin' by Aeralik....you're going to give some hope to a few who are disgruntled just by letting them know you're aware there are some concerns being voiced

**Grimgrave**

" To be honest, I really don't agree with all the "Doom and Gloom" lately... which resulted from other classes getting revamps and instead of trying to make an educated case, we're whining and crying like the kid that saw his little sister get a lollipop. "

So is the forum going to get down to attacks on each other, since topics are spent ? if so please keep in to reason.. One thing I have noticed on these discussions, is the cry for nerf is literally nowhere here and is pretty much avoided.. I havent gone off and started claiming anything indepth on other classes. To me theres no need to start that. The Focus is on this class.

I'm not wanting to start pulling in fights about another.

and no I disagree that this started about the ranger/coercer work.. This has gone on far longer then it, But it was a pile of gripes originally on other forums. I think the devouring mist had a good trigger on this specific forum though.. Where as other combat disscussions where going on before GU 42...

Personaly I was happy that the two got done, Though Was hopeing that, it would send a trend to prepare for next expansion comeing up. Along with alot of others as well. Especially in game.

**Kraace**

Aeralik wrote:

Grimgrave@Mistmoore wrote:
ahh well, I think the reasoning on those two classes got done, Coecers, rangers.. was because they where the on that poll of thiers in dev circle forum...once it got down to doing a tank, its like "Up its time to disapear" attitude.
To be honest, Coercers were never even scheduled for gu45. I got ahead of schedule and had some time so I proposed some changes and then implemented them. For gu46, I don't see this happening although we do have some smaller impact changes going in. For beyond that, its largely like I said I don't currently have a plans to do a coercer like update for any class. Can that change though? Yes its possible but for now there are no plans for that.

Wow, a red name actually posted. Thanks Aeralik.

However, you have made me more depressed than before. What this tells me is that the designers are aware of the problems/issues/complaints of the SK community, but have made a conscience decision to do nothing at this time.

This tells me that the SK are either
1. Where the designers want them to be.
2. The designer know we have problems and don't really care, or don't have the time to fix us because...
3. There are way too many other messed up issues that have priority to work on the SK right now.

In each of these case, it does not bode well for the future of the SK, or even the future of EQ2. To totally ignore 1 class and fix others just sends the wrong message as far as I am concerned.

**Phank**

Again, all I ask is that a designer play a Shadowknight on Raid. That's it. Good luck trying to parse in the top 10.

Matter of fact, I will donate my character and account any time for any designer to play my SK. My guild raids 5 nights a week, we all have Mythicals, and we generally rinse and repeat like all the rest.

Contact me via PM and play my Shadowknight. You will then share our pain, on our level, in our environment.

To truly empathize you need to walk in our shoes.

**Cyque**

Why is it every "omg, my class is broken" thread there is, is usually someone whining that their class isn't in the top 10 on parsing? Well, hm. 24 people on a raid. Only 10 of those can.. be in the top 10. THERE'S A CONCEPT.

Plus, you're a tank. Not a dps class.

**Tiberuis**

Aeralik wrote:

Grimgrave@Mistmoore wrote:
ahh well, I think the reasoning on those two classes got done, Coecers, rangers.. was because they where the on that poll of thiers in dev circle forum...once it got down to doing a tank, its like "Up its time to disapear" attitude.
To be honest, Coercers were never even scheduled for gu45. I got ahead of schedule and had some time so I proposed some changes and then implemented them. For gu46, I don't see this happening although we do have some smaller impact changes going in. For beyond that, its largely like I said I don't currently have a plans to do a coercer like update for any class. Can that change though? Yes its possible but for now there are no plans for that.

Boy, am I glad to see you Aeralik. Thanks so much for popping in. This is the first time I have seen a Dev directly in these SK threads. I hope you have had an opportunity to read up on some of the less...ahem...emotional thread posts (unlike like some of my posts, lol).

I am indeed encouraged by the news of some "smaller impact changes going in." I certainly hope you keep the SK close to your heart on this one. Some small tweaks on Itemization, DPS or Raid Utility would sure be some welcome "cookies" to "hold us over till dinner."

I am happy that you came by to read. It sure made my EQ2 day brighter SMILEY

**Phank** · 05/09/2008 14:10:42

Cyque@Everfrost wrote:

Well, hm. 24 people on a raid. Only 10 of those can.. be in the top 10. THERE'S A CONCEPT.

Are you serious? Have you raided, ever?

24 man raid. Subtract 6 priests (although some Fury dps > SK dps). 18 players remaining. Is Top 10 not expected of a high end player? Personally, I expect my toon to be in the top 10. That is the design of our class. Read the class description please. We are not making this up, friend. We are an offensive minded fighter class. Look at our spells and abilities. Not a lot of DEFENSE there. Damage over time, Death Touch... smells like dps to me. So I would say top 10 is a fair expectation, top 14 at worst.

Recent parse from PR where I parsed 12th. In group with Bers, comparable gear. 2500 below him.

Recent parse from Kor-Sha where I parsed 14th. Again, OT group with Berserker, both Mythicals, comparable gear.

Recent parse from trash mobs in Chamber of Destiny. 15TH here. Only reason Monk doesn't show up in all 3 parses is because he is part-time raider.

The numbers don't lie. Our class is rubbish atm.