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What is your intent for Beserkers at the end game? What Role are we supose to fill in Raids?

Its a pretty simple question and I dont want any flames or anything. I Just want an honest answer from a dev.

I honestly don't see there being anything that another class can't fill better.



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it's in that little book that came with your game.

not really a flame but we seriously don't need anymore of these threads. if there is a better AE tank class out there i'd like to see it.

 

edit: oh, and don't hold your breath for a dev to reply. even if they do read here it's once every blue moon that they actually respond to anything.

i understand people are frustruated but too much sarcasm and no one will want to help this class, at least be honest with yourself and prove your worth before calling each and every one of us worthless.

sure i may be flipping sides but after losing so many i feel we need to have more positive attitude around here to try and salvage what we still have. given the chance we still have a place in raids, if you are willing to put that effort in still.


Message edited by LygerT on 05/20/2008 06:23:13.


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I never said we or I for that matter were worthless I said there isnt any role that we can fill that cant be performed better by someon else.

Yes we have Great AE aggro control and our tanking is fine for everything below raid mobs. How may raid mobs does this help with?

As for the manual we are supose to be offensive tanks. From what I understood when I started the game was the Beserker and Guardian were supose to be 2 sides of the same coin both tanks, not equal but close, one using damage to control aggro and one using abilties and utilities. This natural leans toward the the guardian tanking more proficiently as they can hold aggro in Defensive stance, but we end up doing more damage so it evened out.

A year ago this was the case, now the 2 are on 2 completely diffirent levels of tanking.

Hince my question being in refrence to endgame material IE Raiding.

I want to know what SOE thinks we should be using the class for because I honestly don't see a purpose for us in a raid group aside from grp buffs and to be honest there are other classes that do that and are more benificial to the raid as a whole. Hince why Beserkers are dieing off.

If Im paying to play the game and spent the time to lvl a character this far I think we deserve and simple answer as for what our purpose is.

I.E. "Spec for damage and try to out parse the scouts" or "There is way to tank raid mobs proficiently you just suck at life." 

If the DEV's dont reply then they don't reply that is their prerogative, but please do not take the post of topic and yes you are flaming.

They most certainly will not reply if their is someone running around trolling so please keep on topic.


Message edited by Zhonata on 05/20/2008 08:32:27.


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never went off topic and certainly not trolling, this is an open forum otherwise you could just send in feedback or send each of them a PM personally to see if they reply.

personally, i think i have more firm grasp on this class than any of them do at this point in time.



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Trolling a bit harsh just want to keep it on topic I apologize.




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Zhonata wrote:

What is your intent for Beserkers at the end game? What Role are we supose to fill in Raids?

Its a pretty simple question and I dont want any flames or anything. I Just want an honest answer from a dev.

I honestly don't see there being anything that another class can't fill better.


Now im by no means a hardcore raider but my guild is on T2 atm and were doing nicely.

We have 2 rolls on a raid. MT and OT. Now we are very weak at MT. Guardians are better and if you have a zerker MTing your raid, your guild and eveyone on the raid would be better off if he betrayed or you got a guardian. Can Zerker MT raids? I have been told yes but i have not seen it personaly. If you have a zerker MTing your beating your head against the wall for nothing. We make much better OTs than we do MTs but again the guardian fills the OT slot much better for the same reasons.

Guardians have roughly same single target dps and more hps/avoidance. We own on multiple mob encounters and while i havent seen t3 or t4 raid zones yet there are next to no multiple mob encounters in the zones i have done. Simply put AoE is next to useless.

The sentence i bolded hits the nail on the head.

PS: The zerker class, while not dead, is on life support...You can tell cause no one even posts on these forums much anymore. Skel and Kept are two exaples. They both seem to have wised up.


Message edited by Kage848 on 05/21/2008 03:22:12.

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Kage848 wrote:
Guardians have roughly same single target dps and more hps/avoidance. We own on multiple mob encounters and while i havent seen t3 or t4 raid zones yet there are next to no multiple mob encounters in the zones i have done. Simply put AoE is next to useless.
You should do PR. 5 of 7 named encounters are multiple mob encounters. That Ludmila fight is still my favorite in RoK. Half the Kor-Sha fights are too, as well as trash there. Oh yeah, and Tairiza. We also do well on non-linked mobs, which is great for pulling 2 trash mobs at a time in SoH.

In T1/T2 we can MT just fine without making healers work overtime.

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2? i try to get 3-4 at least if i can.


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The 4 nameds that have adds in PR are weak at best. Im in a low dps guild and thoes so called "adds" are dead in like 2 seconds. Not really ganna mean too much really. I have not done Kor-Sha yet although i will be doing it starting this thurs so well see.

Off the top of my head the only real multi-mob encounter is the Meldrath one. And the general idea on this one in my guild is burn down one at a time. No need for AE.

AoE is situational and its become rare, or at lest more rare, in t8. The Guardian single target dps, hps and avoidance are on and usefull at all times.

Can a Zerker do it. sure...but Guardian does it better in all ways. We have a guardian MT and guardian OT and my zerker sits on the shelf. No need for the AE's.

It seems maby the geared out uber zerkers may get better as they get gear and all but for me i have no raid spot for my zerker cause the guardian does both my jobs better.

PS: 2 things you need to know about my raiding is 1. we are on t2 and casual so take my opions with that in mind. 2. to be fair i also play a ranger, this is my real raider, and maby that has something to do with it. But i was never asked to tank on my zerker or offered a raid slot when we changed tanks about a month ago. They changed tanks and the only question about it was does anyone have a guardian alt. Me and 2 other officers have t8 geared out zerkers ready to raid but they are not worth bringing on a raid. I guess maby the more uber raiding guilds can afford to have a sub-standard tank and can make up for it np but my guild needs every advantage we can get. Oh and to you raiding zerker, Kudos. You must be very good at it cause it aint easy...=0)


Message edited by Kage848 on 05/21/2008 13:30:27.

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guards tank tougher mobs much easier, zerks tank easier mobs better than guardians do. it's weaksauce but that's how it is. starting out 2 guards may work better than a zerk in the OT spot but later on that doesn't sound like an idea setup when you really need a strong AE class in the OT spot.


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Lyger@Mistmoore wrote:
guards tank tougher mobs much easier, zerks tank easier mobs better than guardians do. it's weaksauce but that's how it is. starting out 2 guards may work better than a zerk in the OT spot but later on that doesn't sound like an idea setup when you really need a strong AE class in the OT spot.
fair enough. we got a pally for that lol.

also when you say we need strong AE, do you mean avitars? or do we need strong AE OT in the t3-4 zones?

I still have my zerker so i can pick him up again if need be....although im a good ranger they may want me to stay in dps lol.

Message edited by Kage848 on 05/21/2008 13:34:45.


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Please note, "calling out" a developer isn't the best way to get a dev reply.  Try a constructive post with as much well laid out information as you possibly can, with explanations as to why you have issues with "X" design, so then developers can then take that information and then try to reply to you. 

Setting up a rusty old beartrap isn't the best way to catch a bear, sometimes.

 

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Gnobrin wrote:

Please note, "calling out" a developer isn't the best way to get a dev reply.  Try a constructive post with as much well laid out information as you possibly can, with explanations as to why you have issues with "X" design, so then developers can then take that information and then try to reply to you. 

Setting up a rusty old beartrap isn't the best way to catch a bear, sometimes.

 

~Gnobrin!

We allready got that reply and it was "I'll do nothing".


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Bremer wrote:
Gnobrin wrote:

Please note, "calling out" a developer isn't the best way to get a dev reply.  Try a constructive post with as much well laid out information as you possibly can, with explanations as to why you have issues with "X" design, so then developers can then take that information and then try to reply to you. 

Setting up a rusty old beartrap isn't the best way to catch a bear, sometimes.

 

~Gnobrin!

We allready got that reply and it was "I'll do nothing".
No I said in the short term there are no big changes planned.  In the long term anything is possible and its highly probable you will see some nice changes SMILEY



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Gnobrin wrote:

Please note, "calling out" a developer isn't the best way to get a dev reply.  Try a constructive post with as much well laid out information as you possibly can, with explanations as to why you have issues with "X" design, so then developers can then take that information and then try to reply to you. 

Setting up a rusty old beartrap isn't the best way to catch a bear, sometimes.

 

~Gnobrin!


Maybe if dev communication on year(s) old issues wasn't so subpar, you wouldn't see these types of posts... Just sayin

 
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