EQ2Flames under DDoS attack

**Docimodo**

yes lol...

**Rattface**

What's going on here then??

**Tholar**

http://www.eq2flames.com/general-ga...8-how-will.html

if anyone wonders

**Bramwell**

Interesting strategy SOE has. Turn your back on a wealth of information about how a lot of EQ2 players feel about the game.

**Gnobrin**

I moved this thread since it was no longer a matter of it being the original topic, but since it's a good location to still converse, it's still open for business.

SMILEY

~Gnobrin!

Charons

Well, since it's still an open topic to converse about as per Gnobrin's post...

I think that SOE cutting off all ties to EQ2flames is the most foolish thing they've done in years.

The Flames community dwarfs the official forums one in terms of actually finding useful information. Yes, there are debates there that can get heated, but when you sift through it, you find the information you want, unlike here where there is rarely useful meaning beyond posts that people make.

Even more than that, I've been watching the flames and official forums for at least a year now, and I've always seen the admin (LFG) of flames always supporting SOE in the face of discontent among the players, when there was doubt available. After reading the message that was sent to LFG, which he publicly posted, I just think that all the excuses were completely fraudulent, and a completely worthless way of executing a separation of SOE and flames.

Even from a business standpoint, the choice that was taken was really really foolish. Flames had at least as much traffic per day as the official forums, likely more, and cutting off ties will hurt the official forums as much as flames.

There is also beyond the actual ramifications of this effect, there is the symbolic effect. EQ2flames is *the* site for raiders of EQ2 to voice their concerns and opinions. Severing all ties with this website is saying "We really don't care what your opinion is".

If this was all because of a player outting a dev's ingame name... I still don't get it. Yes, a player on flames wrote who one dev's in-game name was, but LFG deleted the post, apologized about it, and even against consensus among his populace, he implemented a rule to make it against site regulations to post any dev's in-game name. A day or two later, SOE sever's all ties with Flames. It just seems really really stupid to make such a drastic move to the detriment of your own product.

**BiggerBubba**

Non-Gameplay? Smooth move.

**Kiara-**

I respect your opinion, but more so respect the fact that you were able to post it in a mature and respectful manner.

I disagree, but that isn't the point.

It's unfortunate that things fell out the way that they did, but if anyone honestly didn't see it coming with the way that people have behaved, they're naive at best.

I don't think flames is nearly as influential as it would like to believe itself. And whilst there is useful information to be had there, and excellent insights to a portion of the game, they hardly represent a majority of the player base.

**ReficulFonwaps**

Gnobrin wrote:

I moved this thread since it was no longer a matter of it being the original topic, but since it's a good location to still converse, it's still open for business.
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~Gnobrin!

We are allowed to speak here about this topic?!?! What about that "other" thing going on over there, you know the one that every mention of on this forum has been erased and swept under the rug? Are we humbly allowed to start a thread here to discuss that in a civil manner? Please give us an answer, I am afraid of starting a thread about it without prior approval now since I don't want a lifetime ban here.

Charons

Kiara wrote:

I respect your opinion, but more so respect the fact that you were able to post it in a mature and respectful manner.

I disagree, but that isn't the point.

It's unfortunate that things fell out the way that they did, but if anyone honestly didn't see it coming with the way that people have behaved, they're naive at best.

I don't think flames is nearly as influential as it would like to believe itself. And whilst there is useful information to be had there, and excellent insights to a portion of the game, they hardly represent a majority of the player base.

I don't think that flames represents a majority of the playerbase. But they do represent an *overwhelming* majority of the raiders.

To the people who were never fond of raiders: with EQ2's population as low as it is, one can't say "let the raiders go, it won't be of much consequence", because it will be. A loss of the raiders would hurt EQ2 indefinitely.

**Kiara-**

ReficulFonwaps wrote:

We are allowed to speak here about this topic?!?! What about that "other" thing going on over there, you know the one that every mention of on this forum has been erased and swept under the rug? Are we humbly allowed to start a thread here to discuss that in a civil manner? Please give us an answer, I am afraid of starting a thread about it without prior approval now since I don't want a lifetime ban here.

I'm guessing that this would be the thread to speak on all those subjects.

I'll keep my 2cp on that subject since I can't say anything nice about it.

**Crabbok**

One thing to consider is the large portion of people who use eq2flames in a constructive and fun manner. I for one use eq2flames almost exclusively, and hardly ever post on these official forums anymore, simply because of the ease of navigation, wealth of knowledge, and freedom to speak without that "Walking on eggshells" feeling.

There are some who get out of line on eq2flames, and get nasty with devs, but there are a GREAT many of us that are not rude to devs, and do not break any rules. Cutting ties with eq2flames is hurting everyone simply to punish a few loudmouthed people who are too rude to devs.

**ReficulFonwaps**

Kiara wrote:

I don't think flames is nearly as influential as it would like to believe itself. And whilst there is useful information to be had there, and excellent insights to a portion of the game, they hardly represent a majority of the player base.

eq2flames is the Australia of the EQ2 community. Started by a bunch of outcasts, and then turned into a pretty awesome place! So many people have been turned off from these official forums due to the heavy moderation that hardly anything worthwhile is ever discussed here. It seems the majority of players still posting here are the ones who praise everything that is EQ2 and worship the ground walked upon by SOE. When people want to discuss what is really wrong with this game, and the improvements that need to be made, they go to EQ2FLAMES.

I really hope things can be worked out between SOE and the guys at eq2flames. The way the community over there sees it, SOE didn't just turn their backs on LFG, they snubbed their noses at the entire eq2flames community (which is HUGE).

**Kiara-**

Charons@Najena wrote:

I don't think that flames represents a majority of the playerbase. But they do represent an *overwhelming* majority of the raiders.

To the people who were never fond of raiders: with EQ2's population as low as it is, one can't say "let the raiders go, it won't be of much consequence", because it will be. A loss of the raiders would hurt EQ2 indefinitely.

And I think that the raiders are a valuable part of the community. I do not, however, think that flames is their only avenue for giving necessary feedback. It's just the easy drama filled way.

You're more than capable of posting maturely and without slinging mud and swearing, obviously. I'm also quite certain that you can post negative feedback the same way.

I don't think anyone is saying "Let go of the raiders," I think they're saying that causing trouble and drama and sowing dissension is an unacceptable form of "feedback." Causing drama just to cause drama isn't helpful to the community as a whole. That's just being in it for oneself and one's own amusement.

I don't think it ever needs to be a case of "us against them" with regards to play styles. The idea is for there to be a whole community. Not pieces of community that feel they are better than the rest.

**ReficulFonwaps**

Kiara wrote:

ReficulFonwaps wrote:
We are allowed to speak here about this topic?!?! What about that "other" thing going on over there, you know the one that every mention of on this forum has been erased and swept under the rug? Are we humbly allowed to start a thread here to discuss that in a civil manner? Please give us an answer, I am afraid of starting a thread about it without prior approval now since I don't want a lifetime ban here.

I'm guessing that this would be the thread to speak on all those subjects.

I'll keep my 2cp on that subject since I can't say anything nice about it.

Can't take that for granted tho. And I believe the topic needs it's own thread, with a title that states what it's about, as very few people on this site are going to click this thread in the non-gameplay forum titled "EQ2Flames Under DDoS attack". If the title were more on topic, such as "Dev's Giving Raid Strats to Pet Guilds; Locking Down Contested Content in Their OWN Game (So you, the paying player can't kill it)"