Raiders will always think they are uber and deserve more.   To be honest with ya... in thier perspective what he was asking about with the transmutables and better master drop rate would be slumming for most high end raid guilds.   ( exactly why I do not even have chars on my boyfriends server anymore.. I cannot hadle how concieted he is when he is playing... he started raiding again and my nice guy disappeared )   They do think that they should be catered to and the rest should not be so '' lazy '' as those zones are open to everyone....   They do not realize that the majority does not like their style of play.

Slackers I think they call the non hardcore ... or  button mashers

not quite sure where the miss conceptions are coming from here.

i used to tank icydigs in ebon CRAFTED and heritage quest gear. killed everything but the lvl 57^^^epicx4 mob.
i used to tank Nizara in legandary and a few pieces of Relic armour from Labs and clear it.

wanting a zone that doesnt bore you to tears is not a crime, its not being elitest, its not being arrogant, its wanting some challenging content to do with my friends out side raiding. sorry if that offends all you super slack instant gratification crowd.

both icy digs and nizara were super hard zones, that required people who could do more than button mash to win, it was never a gear required zone, either of them, they just required smarts and an extensive knowlegde of your own class and the other peoples in your group, so much so that when you got a group of highly motivated and highly skilled players the mobs died, it didnt need you to be wearing full contested gear. saying that Dev or not is a lame cop out.

you wanna know what i do for a challenge ? i solo in the heroic dungeon zones in rok, going in with 6 people wearing treasured gear would make them a snooze fest.

no one caters to raiders so where you got that idea from i have no clue. this is not a raider vrs casual issue.
this is a highly skilled, highly motivated, highly intellegent, vrs slack i want a win button issue.

When Ebon  MASTERCrafted was used it was better then most legendary.   Nizara only takes a talented chanter... the rest are optional.  Yes it is a tough zone but still ez with 1 talanted person. 

 So sorry to hurt your self esteme, but all you neeed for a top end raid guild is 1 talented, highly intelligent person and 23 sheep that do what they are told and log on all the time ( motivated or bored? ).   1 person to figure out the strats and make sure that they are known.  1 person to make sure all know the gear they are required to get... 1 person to tell peeps what order to mash buttons in... 1 person to show you how to set up so you know when to mash and when to auto.. 1 person to figure out what the devs forgot to fix that gives an edge.  

If you want challenge put on regular crafted gear and run through the zone like the rest of us slackers that do not have Mythical..

   Alot of the sheep in mythical think they are the leet...

EasternKing wrote:

not quite sure where the miss conceptions are coming from here.

i used to tank icydigs in ebon CRAFTED and heritage quest gear. killed everything but the lvl 57^^^epicx4 mob.
i used to tank Nizara in legandary and a few pieces of Relic armour from Labs and clear it.

wanting a zone that doesnt bore you to tears is not a crime, its not being elitest, its not being arrogant, its wanting some challenging content to do with my friends out side raiding. sorry if that offends all you super slack instant gratification crowd.

both icy digs and nizara were super hard zones, that required people who could do more than button mash to win, it was never a gear required zone, either of them, they just required smarts and an extensive knowlegde of your own class and the other peoples in your group, so much so that when you got a group of highly motivated and highly skilled players the mobs died, it didnt need you to be wearing full contested gear. saying that Dev or not is a lame cop out.

you wanna know what i do for a challenge ? i solo in the heroic dungeon zones in rok, going in with 6 people wearing treasured gear would make them a snooze fest.

no one caters to raiders so where you got that idea from i have no clue. this is not a raider vrs casual issue.
this is a highly skilled, highly motivated, highly intellegent, vrs slack i want a win button issue.

When Ebon MASTERCrafted was used it was better then most legendary. Nizara only takes a talented chanter... the rest are optional. Yes it is a tough zone but still ez with 1 talanted person.

So sorry to hurt your self esteme, but all you neeed for a top end raid guild is 1 talented, highly intelligent person and 23 sheep that do what they are told and log on all the time ( motivated or bored? ). 1 person to figure out the strats and make sure that they are known. 1 person to make sure all know the gear they are required to get... 1 person to tell peeps what order to mash buttons in... 1 person to show you how to set up so you know when to mash and when to auto.. 1 person to figure out what the devs forgot to fix that gives an edge.

If you want challenge put on regular crafted gear and run through the zone like the rest of us slackers that do not have Mythical..

Alot of the sheep in mythical think they are the leet...

tikasa wrote:

EasternKing wrote:

not quite sure where the miss conceptions are coming from here.

i used to tank icydigs in ebon CRAFTED and heritage quest gear. killed everything but the lvl 57^^^epicx4 mob.
i used to tank Nizara in legandary and a few pieces of Relic armour from Labs and clear it.

wanting a zone that doesnt bore you to tears is not a crime, its not being elitest, its not being arrogant, its wanting some challenging content to do with my friends out side raiding. sorry if that offends all you super slack instant gratification crowd.

both icy digs and nizara were super hard zones, that required people who could do more than button mash to win, it was never a gear required zone, either of them, they just required smarts and an extensive knowlegde of your own class and the other peoples in your group, so much so that when you got a group of highly motivated and highly skilled players the mobs died, it didnt need you to be wearing full contested gear. saying that Dev or not is a lame cop out.

you wanna know what i do for a challenge ? i solo in the heroic dungeon zones in rok, going in with 6 people wearing treasured gear would make them a snooze fest.

no one caters to raiders so where you got that idea from i have no clue. this is not a raider vrs casual issue.
this is a highly skilled, highly motivated, highly intellegent, vrs slack i want a win button issue.

When Ebon MASTERCrafted was used it was better then most legendary. Nizara only takes a talented chanter... the rest are optional. Yes it is a tough zone but still ez with 1 talanted person.

So sorry to hurt your self esteme, but all you neeed for a top end raid guild is 1 talented, highly intelligent person and 23 sheep that do what they are told and log on all the time ( motivated or bored? ). 1 person to figure out the strats and make sure that they are known. 1 person to make sure all know the gear they are required to get... 1 person to tell peeps what order to mash buttons in... 1 person to show you how to set up so you know when to mash and when to auto.. 1 person to figure out what the devs forgot to fix that gives an edge.

If you want challenge put on regular crafted gear and run through the zone like the rest of us slackers that do not have Mythical..

Alot of the sheep in mythical think they are the leet...

well ist pretty clear you dont raid, the days of having 3-4 people that can pay attention and the rest "sheep" as you so condescendingly put it are long gone in eq2.
wanna kill t2 raid mobs you need a full raid of skilled raiders, same for t3/t4 and you can forget trakanaon with your idea of current raider requirements.

i used to solo farm coa and chelsith before i got my mythcial i used to solo farm every named in karnors before i got my mythical barring the boss, same for chardok, killed every named in that zone solo no mythical wearing legandary and crafted t8 gear apart from the 3 very last named.

again this is not a raider vrs everyone else issue, this is people who want to be challenged when they play by the content, they made a huge step in that direction with the T8 raid content. there is 0 reasons not to do the same with the heroic content

i have done and can SOLO farm zones you lot need 6 people for in legandary and crafted gear in T8, stop making excuses for your lack of playing abilty by saying its just raiders being elitest snobs, i stopped raiding mid eof and didnt start again till mid rok. i still was bored to tears with the heroic content wearing the same gear all the "real players" wear.

tikasa wrote:

EasternKing wrote:

not quite sure where the miss conceptions are coming from here.

i used to tank icydigs in ebon CRAFTED and heritage quest gear. killed everything but the lvl 57^^^epicx4 mob.
i used to tank Nizara in legandary and a few pieces of Relic armour from Labs and clear it.

wanting a zone that doesnt bore you to tears is not a crime, its not being elitest, its not being arrogant, its wanting some challenging content to do with my friends out side raiding. sorry if that offends all you super slack instant gratification crowd.

both icy digs and nizara were super hard zones, that required people who could do more than button mash to win, it was never a gear required zone, either of them, they just required smarts and an extensive knowlegde of your own class and the other peoples in your group, so much so that when you got a group of highly motivated and highly skilled players the mobs died, it didnt need you to be wearing full contested gear. saying that Dev or not is a lame cop out.

you wanna know what i do for a challenge ? i solo in the heroic dungeon zones in rok, going in with 6 people wearing treasured gear would make them a snooze fest.

no one caters to raiders so where you got that idea from i have no clue. this is not a raider vrs casual issue.
this is a highly skilled, highly motivated, highly intellegent, vrs slack i want a win button issue.

When Ebon MASTERCrafted was used it was better then most legendary. Nizara only takes a talented chanter... the rest are optional. Yes it is a tough zone but still ez with 1 talanted person.

So sorry to hurt your self esteme, but all you neeed for a top end raid guild is 1 talented, highly intelligent person and 23 sheep that do what they are told and log on all the time ( motivated or bored? ). 1 person to figure out the strats and make sure that they are known. 1 person to make sure all know the gear they are required to get... 1 person to tell peeps what order to mash buttons in... 1 person to show you how to set up so you know when to mash and when to auto.. 1 person to figure out what the devs forgot to fix that gives an edge.

If you want challenge put on regular crafted gear and run through the zone like the rest of us slackers that do not have Mythical..

Alot of the sheep in mythical think they are the leet...

well ist pretty clear you dont raid, the days of having 3-4 people that can pay attention and the rest "sheep" as you so condescendingly put it are long gone in eq2.
wanna kill t2 raid mobs you need a full raid of skilled raiders, same for t3/t4 and you can forget trakanaon with your idea of current raider requirements.

i used to solo farm coa and chelsith before i got my mythcial i used to solo farm every named in karnors before i got my mythical barring the boss, same for chardok, killed every named in that zone solo no mythical wearing legandary and crafted t8 gear apart from the 3 very last named.

again this is not a raider vrs everyone else issue, this is people who want to be challenged when they play by the content, they made a huge step in that direction with the T8 raid content. there is 0 reasons not to do the same with the heroic content

i have done and can SOLO farm zones you lot need 6 people for in legandary and crafted gear in T8, stop making excuses for your lack of playing abilty by saying its just raiders being elitest snobs, i stopped raiding mid eof and didnt start again till mid rok. i still was bored to tears with the heroic content wearing the same gear all the "real players" wear.

EasternKing wrote:

tikasa wrote:

EasternKing wrote:

not quite sure where the miss conceptions are coming from here.

i used to tank icydigs in ebon CRAFTED and heritage quest gear. killed everything but the lvl 57^^^epicx4 mob.
i used to tank Nizara in legandary and a few pieces of Relic armour from Labs and clear it.

wanting a zone that doesnt bore you to tears is not a crime, its not being elitest, its not being arrogant, its wanting some challenging content to do with my friends out side raiding. sorry if that offends all you super slack instant gratification crowd.

both icy digs and nizara were super hard zones, that required people who could do more than button mash to win, it was never a gear required zone, either of them, they just required smarts and an extensive knowlegde of your own class and the other peoples in your group, so much so that when you got a group of highly motivated and highly skilled players the mobs died, it didnt need you to be wearing full contested gear. saying that Dev or not is a lame cop out.

you wanna know what i do for a challenge ? i solo in the heroic dungeon zones in rok, going in with 6 people wearing treasured gear would make them a snooze fest.

no one caters to raiders so where you got that idea from i have no clue. this is not a raider vrs casual issue.
this is a highly skilled, highly motivated, highly intellegent, vrs slack i want a win button issue.

When Ebon MASTERCrafted was used it was better then most legendary. Nizara only takes a talented chanter... the rest are optional. Yes it is a tough zone but still ez with 1 talanted person.

So sorry to hurt your self esteme, but all you neeed for a top end raid guild is 1 talented, highly intelligent person and 23 sheep that do what they are told and log on all the time ( motivated or bored? ). 1 person to figure out the strats and make sure that they are known. 1 person to make sure all know the gear they are required to get... 1 person to tell peeps what order to mash buttons in... 1 person to show you how to set up so you know when to mash and when to auto.. 1 person to figure out what the devs forgot to fix that gives an edge.

If you want challenge put on regular crafted gear and run through the zone like the rest of us slackers that do not have Mythical..

Alot of the sheep in mythical think they are the leet...

well ist pretty clear you dont raid, the days of having 3-4 people that can pay attention and the rest "sheep" as you so condescendingly put it are long gone in eq2.
wanna kill t2 raid mobs you need a full raid of skilled raiders, same for t3/t4 and you can forget trakanaon with your idea of current raider requirements.

i used to solo farm coa and chelsith before i got my mythcial i used to solo farm every named in karnors before i got my mythical barring the boss, same for chardok, killed every named in that zone solo no mythical wearing legandary and crafted t8 gear apart from the 3 very last named.

again this is not a raider vrs everyone else issue, this is people who want to be challenged when they play by the content, they made a huge step in that direction with the T8 raid content. there is 0 reasons not to do the same with the heroic content

i have done and can SOLO farm zones you lot need 6 people for in legandary and crafted gear in T8, stop making excuses for your lack of playing abilty by saying its just raiders being elitest snobs, i stopped raiding mid eof and didnt start again till mid rok. i still was bored to tears with the heroic content wearing the same gear all the "real players" wear.

In my guild we have a tendency to suffer from getting bored incredibly easy, which very often cause us to pull just as much as we can handle, staying on the edge. New people in the guild generally seem to not like dying a few times going through a normal instance, but meh. If there isnt any danger of dying, its not really fun.

That said, I agree with you.

I want progression through heroic content where you cant just go straight for the baddest instances around. I also think that these badass high end grouping instances should have drops comparable to the raiding stuff, but only, and only if the difficulity would be comparable.
Mobs hitting like a freight train doesnt make them hard, that just makes them boring. Mobs having healt like a small planet also doesnt make them hard, that makes hem boring.
Make mobs smarter. Make them react to how the fight is going. No more of this tank and spank stuff.

Hmm...nothing against what raiders do or anything (awesome if you do raid successfully and enjoy it), however do they really need to cater to raiders anymore? You all have you're own set of instances that without a guild (that is set for raiding doesn't really have a chance in), you are open to the same instances everyone else is, you have contested raid mobs, as well as whatever anyone else has, and you've worked very hard to get where you are gear wise (I understand this).

But making zones with an elite version that drops more masters, and plat, and are on smart loot and/or transmuting components is making raiders extremely elite. As for the transmuting components run any instance in rok with a muter and you'll have a chance at that, so why should that be considered?

I agree if you want a challenge with your gear and experience go raid. All the casual players shouldn't be held at a disadvantage in single group content just because they can't/don't raid or don't buy raid loot and mythicals.

I run easy instances (t7) all the time with my guild and it's just for fun (and we run out of other instances and might as well try for some 70 loot for muting)... the instance doesn't make it fun, the people in the group do.

I'm sorry but if you're going to have FUN with your FRIENDS you don't need a special instance. Next time trio the zones and see which group is done faster make it challenging for yourselves (example do re2 with a few number break it up)

EasternKing wrote:

tikasa wrote:

EasternKing wrote:

not quite sure where the miss conceptions are coming from here.

i used to tank icydigs in ebon CRAFTED and heritage quest gear. killed everything but the lvl 57^^^epicx4 mob.
i used to tank Nizara in legandary and a few pieces of Relic armour from Labs and clear it.

wanting a zone that doesnt bore you to tears is not a crime, its not being elitest, its not being arrogant, its wanting some challenging content to do with my friends out side raiding. sorry if that offends all you super slack instant gratification crowd.

both icy digs and nizara were super hard zones, that required people who could do more than button mash to win, it was never a gear required zone, either of them, they just required smarts and an extensive knowlegde of your own class and the other peoples in your group, so much so that when you got a group of highly motivated and highly skilled players the mobs died, it didnt need you to be wearing full contested gear. saying that Dev or not is a lame cop out.

you wanna know what i do for a challenge ? i solo in the heroic dungeon zones in rok, going in with 6 people wearing treasured gear would make them a snooze fest.

no one caters to raiders so where you got that idea from i have no clue. this is not a raider vrs casual issue.
this is a highly skilled, highly motivated, highly intellegent, vrs slack i want a win button issue.

When Ebon MASTERCrafted was used it was better then most legendary. Nizara only takes a talented chanter... the rest are optional. Yes it is a tough zone but still ez with 1 talanted person.

So sorry to hurt your self esteme, but all you neeed for a top end raid guild is 1 talented, highly intelligent person and 23 sheep that do what they are told and log on all the time ( motivated or bored? ). 1 person to figure out the strats and make sure that they are known. 1 person to make sure all know the gear they are required to get... 1 person to tell peeps what order to mash buttons in... 1 person to show you how to set up so you know when to mash and when to auto.. 1 person to figure out what the devs forgot to fix that gives an edge.

If you want challenge put on regular crafted gear and run through the zone like the rest of us slackers that do not have Mythical..

Alot of the sheep in mythical think they are the leet...

well ist pretty clear you dont raid, the days of having 3-4 people that can pay attention and the rest "sheep" as you so condescendingly put it are long gone in eq2.
wanna kill t2 raid mobs you need a full raid of skilled raiders, same for t3/t4 and you can forget trakanaon with your idea of current raider requirements.

i used to solo farm coa and chelsith before i got my mythcial i used to solo farm every named in karnors before i got my mythical barring the boss, same for chardok, killed every named in that zone solo no mythical wearing legandary and crafted t8 gear apart from the 3 very last named.

again this is not a raider vrs everyone else issue, this is people who want to be challenged when they play by the content, they made a huge step in that direction with the T8 raid content. there is 0 reasons not to do the same with the heroic content

i have done and can SOLO farm zones you lot need 6 people for in legandary and crafted gear in T8, stop making excuses for your lack of playing abilty by saying its just raiders being elitest snobs, i stopped raiding mid eof and didnt start again till mid rok. i still was bored to tears with the heroic content wearing the same gear all the "real players" wear.

I raided up to RoK and have alot of avatar gear on my main. I know very well how many times we would bring in new recruits tell them what to do , make sure they do what they are told .. and viola another leet raider from the pack of so called slackers. so do not try to bs me on the skill and intelligence needed. No I have not raided in RoK at all, but I do know through my BF that you can still plug anyone in that is willing to follow DIRECTIONS and kill any mob in the game ( after they have followed those directions .. hand holding to get the right gear / spells / adorns / ect )

Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote:

EasternKing wrote:

tikasa wrote:

EasternKing wrote:

not quite sure where the miss conceptions are coming from here.

i used to tank icydigs in ebon CRAFTED and heritage quest gear. killed everything but the lvl 57^^^epicx4 mob.
i used to tank Nizara in legandary and a few pieces of Relic armour from Labs and clear it.

wanting a zone that doesnt bore you to tears is not a crime, its not being elitest, its not being arrogant, its wanting some challenging content to do with my friends out side raiding. sorry if that offends all you super slack instant gratification crowd.

both icy digs and nizara were super hard zones, that required people who could do more than button mash to win, it was never a gear required zone, either of them, they just required smarts and an extensive knowlegde of your own class and the other peoples in your group, so much so that when you got a group of highly motivated and highly skilled players the mobs died, it didnt need you to be wearing full contested gear. saying that Dev or not is a lame cop out.

you wanna know what i do for a challenge ? i solo in the heroic dungeon zones in rok, going in with 6 people wearing treasured gear would make them a snooze fest.

no one caters to raiders so where you got that idea from i have no clue. this is not a raider vrs casual issue.
this is a highly skilled, highly motivated, highly intellegent, vrs slack i want a win button issue.

When Ebon MASTERCrafted was used it was better then most legendary. Nizara only takes a talented chanter... the rest are optional. Yes it is a tough zone but still ez with 1 talanted person.

So sorry to hurt your self esteme, but all you neeed for a top end raid guild is 1 talented, highly intelligent person and 23 sheep that do what they are told and log on all the time ( motivated or bored? ). 1 person to figure out the strats and make sure that they are known. 1 person to make sure all know the gear they are required to get... 1 person to tell peeps what order to mash buttons in... 1 person to show you how to set up so you know when to mash and when to auto.. 1 person to figure out what the devs forgot to fix that gives an edge.

If you want challenge put on regular crafted gear and run through the zone like the rest of us slackers that do not have Mythical..

Alot of the sheep in mythical think they are the leet...

well ist pretty clear you dont raid, the days of having 3-4 people that can pay attention and the rest "sheep" as you so condescendingly put it are long gone in eq2.
wanna kill t2 raid mobs you need a full raid of skilled raiders, same for t3/t4 and you can forget trakanaon with your idea of current raider requirements.

i used to solo farm coa and chelsith before i got my mythcial i used to solo farm every named in karnors before i got my mythical barring the boss, same for chardok, killed every named in that zone solo no mythical wearing legandary and crafted t8 gear apart from the 3 very last named.

again this is not a raider vrs everyone else issue, this is people who want to be challenged when they play by the content, they made a huge step in that direction with the T8 raid content. there is 0 reasons not to do the same with the heroic content

i have done and can SOLO farm zones you lot need 6 people for in legandary and crafted gear in T8, stop making excuses for your lack of playing abilty by saying its just raiders being elitest snobs, i stopped raiding mid eof and didnt start again till mid rok. i still was bored to tears with the heroic content wearing the same gear all the "real players" wear.

In my guild we have a tendency to suffer from getting bored incredibly easy, which very often cause us to pull just as much as we can handle, staying on the edge. New people in the guild generally seem to not like dying a few times going through a normal instance, but meh. If there isnt any danger of dying, its not really fun.

That said, I agree with you.

I want progression through heroic content where you cant just go straight for the baddest instances around. I also think that these badass high end grouping instances should have drops comparable to the raiding stuff, but only, and only if the difficulity would be comparable.
Mobs hitting like a freight train doesnt make them hard, that just makes them boring. Mobs having healt like a small planet also doesnt make them hard, that makes hem boring.
Make mobs smarter. Make them react to how the fight is going. No more of this tank and spank stuff.

Unfortunatly all of it will be tank and spank except for some raid zones. There are not enough that can figure out the stratagies and would become frustrated. SOE has and will always support the VAST MAJORITY and that means tank and spank zones needing only MC or legendary gear with an occasional zone thrown in...

tikasa wrote:

EasternKing wrote:

tikasa wrote:

EasternKing wrote:

not quite sure where the miss conceptions are coming from here.

i used to tank icydigs in ebon CRAFTED and heritage quest gear. killed everything but the lvl 57^^^epicx4 mob.
i used to tank Nizara in legandary and a few pieces of Relic armour from Labs and clear it.

wanting a zone that doesnt bore you to tears is not a crime, its not being elitest, its not being arrogant, its wanting some challenging content to do with my friends out side raiding. sorry if that offends all you super slack instant gratification crowd.

both icy digs and nizara were super hard zones, that required people who could do more than button mash to win, it was never a gear required zone, either of them, they just required smarts and an extensive knowlegde of your own class and the other peoples in your group, so much so that when you got a group of highly motivated and highly skilled players the mobs died, it didnt need you to be wearing full contested gear. saying that Dev or not is a lame cop out.

you wanna know what i do for a challenge ? i solo in the heroic dungeon zones in rok, going in with 6 people wearing treasured gear would make them a snooze fest.

no one caters to raiders so where you got that idea from i have no clue. this is not a raider vrs casual issue.
this is a highly skilled, highly motivated, highly intellegent, vrs slack i want a win button issue.

When Ebon MASTERCrafted was used it was better then most legendary. Nizara only takes a talented chanter... the rest are optional. Yes it is a tough zone but still ez with 1 talanted person.

So sorry to hurt your self esteme, but all you neeed for a top end raid guild is 1 talented, highly intelligent person and 23 sheep that do what they are told and log on all the time ( motivated or bored? ). 1 person to figure out the strats and make sure that they are known. 1 person to make sure all know the gear they are required to get... 1 person to tell peeps what order to mash buttons in... 1 person to show you how to set up so you know when to mash and when to auto.. 1 person to figure out what the devs forgot to fix that gives an edge.

If you want challenge put on regular crafted gear and run through the zone like the rest of us slackers that do not have Mythical..

Alot of the sheep in mythical think they are the leet...

well ist pretty clear you dont raid, the days of having 3-4 people that can pay attention and the rest "sheep" as you so condescendingly put it are long gone in eq2.
wanna kill t2 raid mobs you need a full raid of skilled raiders, same for t3/t4 and you can forget trakanaon with your idea of current raider requirements.

i used to solo farm coa and chelsith before i got my mythcial i used to solo farm every named in karnors before i got my mythical barring the boss, same for chardok, killed every named in that zone solo no mythical wearing legandary and crafted t8 gear apart from the 3 very last named.

again this is not a raider vrs everyone else issue, this is people who want to be challenged when they play by the content, they made a huge step in that direction with the T8 raid content. there is 0 reasons not to do the same with the heroic content

i have done and can SOLO farm zones you lot need 6 people for in legandary and crafted gear in T8, stop making excuses for your lack of playing abilty by saying its just raiders being elitest snobs, i stopped raiding mid eof and didnt start again till mid rok. i still was bored to tears with the heroic content wearing the same gear all the "real players" wear.

I raided up to RoK and have alot of avatar gear on my main. I know very well how many times we would bring in new recruits tell them what to do , make sure they do what they are told .. and viola another leet raider from the pack of so called slackers. so do not try to bs me on the skill and intelligence needed. No I have not raided in RoK at all, but I do know through my BF that you can still plug anyone in that is willing to follow DIRECTIONS and kill any mob in the game ( after they have followed those directions .. hand holding to get the right gear / spells / adorns / ect )

how about you actually try raiding the current content before spouting off such stupidity and idiocy?
i know lots of raiders like you, who were the "sheep"who just followed blindly and did what they were told, when they were told, funnily enough all of them like you are currently guildless  b/cos in Rok you cant carry dumb "sheep" that cant play, and only know how to button mash, so its really no suprise to me you have 0 expeirance of the current raid content.
in eof you could carry "sheep" like yourself in RoK you cannot, i mean by all means join a raid guild thats clearing upto and including Trak and get back to me about how easy it is to carry "sheep" in a roster.

i notice you just blindly ignored the part where i said i was soloing heroic content in most Rok zones wearing legandary / quested and crafted gear ? no smart a-ss comments to make about me being a "sheep" that gets his raid gear by blindly button mashing and using auto follow to get round a zone.

again this was not a raider versus everyone else play style, this was simply a request  for them to add some really challenging 6 man content ala Icydigs / Nizara style, that was fully clearable in current tier leagndary gear and A3 spells.

now by all means post so more insults towards raiders, and for when you do GRATS on missing the point of the posts entirley.

I have no problem 3 boxing Nizara.   I have no problem 3 boxing most group zones in RoK.   I quit raiding when it became boring and all the GOOD players left for other games.    Notice almost all of the TOP guilds left with RoK?   It was too easy.   Before RoK only a handfull of guilds could get to the top raid zone.   In RoK there are over 20 guilds on AB that I know of that have got Mythicals for their mains.   Pre RoK there was maybe 4-5 guilds that could do it.   Sorry but RoK dumbed down raiding and made it so even the most casual unorganized guild of button mashers can get through it.

Soloing heroic zones is not tough.   I do it by boxing you do it with a bruser.   Never played a brawler so I am not sure how well I would do but it cannot be tougher then boxing 3 through the same zones....   Call me a sheep if you  like or a slacker.. I have 9 lvl 80 crafters all with epics... 8 lvl 80 adventurers all 8 with their fabled Epics.   That is how I found my challenge by learning almost all of the classes.

 And this did not start out as a bashing raiders till you started in with the " vrs slack I want a win button issue"  In that you showed the same mentality that made me switch servers so I was not on the same server as my BF and his leet raid playstyle.

EasternKing wrote:

tikasa wrote:

EasternKing wrote:

tikasa wrote:

EasternKing wrote:

not quite sure where the miss conceptions are coming from here.

i used to tank icydigs in ebon CRAFTED and heritage quest gear. killed everything but the lvl 57^^^epicx4 mob.
i used to tank Nizara in legandary and a few pieces of Relic armour from Labs and clear it.

wanting a zone that doesnt bore you to tears is not a crime, its not being elitest, its not being arrogant, its wanting some challenging content to do with my friends out side raiding. sorry if that offends all you super slack instant gratification crowd.

both icy digs and nizara were super hard zones, that required people who could do more than button mash to win, it was never a gear required zone, either of them, they just required smarts and an extensive knowlegde of your own class and the other peoples in your group, so much so that when you got a group of highly motivated and highly skilled players the mobs died, it didnt need you to be wearing full contested gear. saying that Dev or not is a lame cop out.

you wanna know what i do for a challenge ? i solo in the heroic dungeon zones in rok, going in with 6 people wearing treasured gear would make them a snooze fest.

no one caters to raiders so where you got that idea from i have no clue. this is not a raider vrs casual issue.
this is a highly skilled, highly motivated, highly intellegent, vrs slack i want a win button issue.

When Ebon MASTERCrafted was used it was better then most legendary. Nizara only takes a talented chanter... the rest are optional. Yes it is a tough zone but still ez with 1 talanted person.

So sorry to hurt your self esteme, but all you neeed for a top end raid guild is 1 talented, highly intelligent person and 23 sheep that do what they are told and log on all the time ( motivated or bored? ). 1 person to figure out the strats and make sure that they are known. 1 person to make sure all know the gear they are required to get... 1 person to tell peeps what order to mash buttons in... 1 person to show you how to set up so you know when to mash and when to auto.. 1 person to figure out what the devs forgot to fix that gives an edge.

If you want challenge put on regular crafted gear and run through the zone like the rest of us slackers that do not have Mythical..

Alot of the sheep in mythical think they are the leet...

well ist pretty clear you dont raid, the days of having 3-4 people that can pay attention and the rest "sheep" as you so condescendingly put it are long gone in eq2.
wanna kill t2 raid mobs you need a full raid of skilled raiders, same for t3/t4 and you can forget trakanaon with your idea of current raider requirements.

i used to solo farm coa and chelsith before i got my mythcial i used to solo farm every named in karnors before i got my mythical barring the boss, same for chardok, killed every named in that zone solo no mythical wearing legandary and crafted t8 gear apart from the 3 very last named.

again this is not a raider vrs everyone else issue, this is people who want to be challenged when they play by the content, they made a huge step in that direction with the T8 raid content. there is 0 reasons not to do the same with the heroic content

i have done and can SOLO farm zones you lot need 6 people for in legandary and crafted gear in T8, stop making excuses for your lack of playing abilty by saying its just raiders being elitest snobs, i stopped raiding mid eof and didnt start again till mid rok. i still was bored to tears with the heroic content wearing the same gear all the "real players" wear.

I raided up to RoK and have alot of avatar gear on my main. I know very well how many times we would bring in new recruits tell them what to do , make sure they do what they are told .. and viola another leet raider from the pack of so called slackers. so do not try to bs me on the skill and intelligence needed. No I have not raided in RoK at all, but I do know through my BF that you can still plug anyone in that is willing to follow DIRECTIONS and kill any mob in the game ( after they have followed those directions .. hand holding to get the right gear / spells / adorns / ect )

how about you actually try raiding the current content before spouting off such stupidity and idiocy?
i know lots of raiders like you, who were the "sheep"who just followed blindly and did what they were told, when they were told, funnily enough all of them like you are currently guildless b/cos in Rok you cant carry dumb "sheep" that cant play, and only know how to button mash, so its really no suprise to me you have 0 expeirance of the current raid content.
in eof you could carry "sheep" like yourself in RoK you cannot, i mean by all means join a raid guild thats clearing upto and including Trak and get back to me about how easy it is to carry "sheep" in a roster.

i notice you just blindly ignored the part where i said i was soloing heroic content in most Rok zones wearing legandary / quested and crafted gear ? no smart a-ss comments to make about me being a "sheep" that gets his raid gear by blindly button mashing and using auto follow to get round a zone.

again this was not a raider versus everyone else play style, this was simply a request for them to add some really challenging 6 man content ala Icydigs / Nizara style, that was fully clearable in current tier leagndary gear and A3 spells.

now by all means post so more insults towards raiders, and for when you do GRATS on missing the point of the posts entirley.

I have no problem 3 boxing Nizara. I have no problem 3 boxing most group zones in RoK. I quit raiding when it became boring and all the GOOD players left for other games. Notice almost all of the TOP guilds left with RoK? It was too easy. Before RoK only a handfull of guilds could get to the top raid zone. In RoK there are over 20 guilds on AB that I know of that have got Mythicals for their mains. Pre RoK there was maybe 4-5 guilds that could do it. Sorry but RoK dumbed down raiding and made it so even the most casual unorganized guild of button mashers can get through it.

Soloing heroic zones is not tough. I do it by boxing you do it with a bruser. Never played a brawler so I am not sure how well I would do but it cannot be tougher then boxing 3 through the same zones.... Call me a sheep if you like or a slacker.. I have 9 lvl 80 crafters all with epics... 8 lvl 80 adventurers all 8 with their fabled Epics. That is how I found my challenge by learning almost all of the classes.

tikasa wrote:

EasternKing wrote:

tikasa wrote:

EasternKing wrote:

tikasa wrote:

EasternKing wrote:

not quite sure where the miss conceptions are coming from here.

i used to tank icydigs in ebon CRAFTED and heritage quest gear. killed everything but the lvl 57^^^epicx4 mob.
i used to tank Nizara in legandary and a few pieces of Relic armour from Labs and clear it.

wanting a zone that doesnt bore you to tears is not a crime, its not being elitest, its not being arrogant, its wanting some challenging content to do with my friends out side raiding. sorry if that offends all you super slack instant gratification crowd.

both icy digs and nizara were super hard zones, that required people who could do more than button mash to win, it was never a gear required zone, either of them, they just required smarts and an extensive knowlegde of your own class and the other peoples in your group, so much so that when you got a group of highly motivated and highly skilled players the mobs died, it didnt need you to be wearing full contested gear. saying that Dev or not is a lame cop out.

you wanna know what i do for a challenge ? i solo in the heroic dungeon zones in rok, going in with 6 people wearing treasured gear would make them a snooze fest.

no one caters to raiders so where you got that idea from i have no clue. this is not a raider vrs casual issue.
this is a highly skilled, highly motivated, highly intellegent, vrs slack i want a win button issue.

When Ebon MASTERCrafted was used it was better then most legendary. Nizara only takes a talented chanter... the rest are optional. Yes it is a tough zone but still ez with 1 talanted person.

So sorry to hurt your self esteme, but all you neeed for a top end raid guild is 1 talented, highly intelligent person and 23 sheep that do what they are told and log on all the time ( motivated or bored? ). 1 person to figure out the strats and make sure that they are known. 1 person to make sure all know the gear they are required to get... 1 person to tell peeps what order to mash buttons in... 1 person to show you how to set up so you know when to mash and when to auto.. 1 person to figure out what the devs forgot to fix that gives an edge.

If you want challenge put on regular crafted gear and run through the zone like the rest of us slackers that do not have Mythical..

Alot of the sheep in mythical think they are the leet...

well ist pretty clear you dont raid, the days of having 3-4 people that can pay attention and the rest "sheep" as you so condescendingly put it are long gone in eq2.
wanna kill t2 raid mobs you need a full raid of skilled raiders, same for t3/t4 and you can forget trakanaon with your idea of current raider requirements.

i used to solo farm coa and chelsith before i got my mythcial i used to solo farm every named in karnors before i got my mythical barring the boss, same for chardok, killed every named in that zone solo no mythical wearing legandary and crafted t8 gear apart from the 3 very last named.

again this is not a raider vrs everyone else issue, this is people who want to be challenged when they play by the content, they made a huge step in that direction with the T8 raid content. there is 0 reasons not to do the same with the heroic content

i have done and can SOLO farm zones you lot need 6 people for in legandary and crafted gear in T8, stop making excuses for your lack of playing abilty by saying its just raiders being elitest snobs, i stopped raiding mid eof and didnt start again till mid rok. i still was bored to tears with the heroic content wearing the same gear all the "real players" wear.

I raided up to RoK and have alot of avatar gear on my main. I know very well how many times we would bring in new recruits tell them what to do , make sure they do what they are told .. and viola another leet raider from the pack of so called slackers. so do not try to bs me on the skill and intelligence needed. No I have not raided in RoK at all, but I do know through my BF that you can still plug anyone in that is willing to follow DIRECTIONS and kill any mob in the game ( after they have followed those directions .. hand holding to get the right gear / spells / adorns / ect )

how about you actually try raiding the current content before spouting off such stupidity and idiocy?
i know lots of raiders like you, who were the "sheep"who just followed blindly and did what they were told, when they were told, funnily enough all of them like you are currently guildless b/cos in Rok you cant carry dumb "sheep" that cant play, and only know how to button mash, so its really no suprise to me you have 0 expeirance of the current raid content.
in eof you could carry "sheep" like yourself in RoK you cannot, i mean by all means join a raid guild thats clearing upto and including Trak and get back to me about how easy it is to carry "sheep" in a roster.

i notice you just blindly ignored the part where i said i was soloing heroic content in most Rok zones wearing legandary / quested and crafted gear ? no smart a-ss comments to make about me being a "sheep" that gets his raid gear by blindly button mashing and using auto follow to get round a zone.

again this was not a raider versus everyone else play style, this was simply a request for them to add some really challenging 6 man content ala Icydigs / Nizara style, that was fully clearable in current tier leagndary gear and A3 spells.

now by all means post so more insults towards raiders, and for when you do GRATS on missing the point of the posts entirley.

I have no problem 3 boxing Nizara. I have no problem 3 boxing most group zones in RoK. I quit raiding when it became boring and all the GOOD players left for other games. Notice almost all of the TOP guilds left with RoK? It was too easy. Before RoK only a handfull of guilds could get to the top raid zone. In RoK there are over 20 guilds on AB that I know of that have got Mythicals for their mains. Pre RoK there was maybe 4-5 guilds that could do it. Sorry but RoK dumbed down raiding and made it so even the most casual unorganized guild of button mashers can get through it.

Soloing heroic zones is not tough. I do it by boxing you do it with a bruser. Never played a brawler so I am not sure how well I would do but it cannot be tougher then boxing 3 through the same zones.... Call me a sheep if you like or a slacker.. I have 9 lvl 80 crafters all with epics... 8 lvl 80 adventurers all 8 with their fabled Epics. That is how I found my challenge by learning almost all of the classes.

i play a brigand thanks, like it clearly says in my sig under my posts, and sorry boxing / trio a zone with 3 toons is a joke, dont insult me by claiming you do the same as me i do it completley and utterly solo no boxing o buffs but my own.

again i dont really care how many crafters you have...go join a raid guild thats clearing all instance content, and them come back here and tell me its all about carrying sheep, youll be in for a very very rude suprise.
and sorry not all the good players left this game, i mean you say im arrogant then say all the good players quit lol conceited much? most raid guilds folded b/cos they could not progress the content in Rok, and that was simply b/cos they were carrying "sheep" not cos the stuff was that easy they were bored.
iirc 3 top end guilds quit / merged thats it, and that is not all the best players by a  large mark.

lol They could not progress?   Umm there are so many that are able to clear all the raid zones it is becoming a joke.   Soooooo there were sheep in the top end guilds.. YET all the new ones that formed are all skilled?  there are MANY more able to clear the content now... So the sheep have to learn to harvest while raiding...    maybe they have to learn 3 spots to be in when the SCRIPT calls for it.   gee once they run the same SCRIPT in the same raidd zone 5 times even the most wool headed sheep can be trained.  In the end a script is always the same and as Pavlov proved even a dog can be trained to drool.

and I did not read your sig as I really did not care... the pic looked like a bruiser.

In the end it all just boils down to this: Kthxbye

Kander wrote:

EasternKing wrote:

re2 is joke easy, sorry it fail's totally when compared to the only 2 other "hard" zones we have had, Icy digys and Nizara, hell even original Halls of Fate was > re2.
unrest is a Horrible zone, super scripted means first time in is fun, every visit after that its just plain annoying.

Sorry, but your not going to see a single group zone designed around people with avatar loot and mythicals. Most likely you'll have to seek out a "challenge" in raid zones. =)

 

 

 

i play a brigand thanks, like it clearly says in my sig under my posts, and sorry boxing / trio a zone with 3 toons is a joke, dont insult me by claiming you do the same as me i do it completley and utterly solo no boxing o buffs but my own.

again i dont really care how many crafters you have...go join a raid guild thats clearing all instance content, and them come back here and tell me its all about carrying sheep, youll be in for a very very rude suprise.
and sorry not all the good players left this game, i mean you say im arrogant then say all the good players quit lol conceited much? most raid guilds folded b/cos they could not progress the content in Rok, and that was simply b/cos they were carrying "sheep" not cos the stuff was that easy they were bored.
iirc 3 top end guilds quit / merged thats it, and that is not all the best players by a large mark.