New RE zone loot.

**Fritzzz**

sahet wrote:

Yes, the poster mentioned the spell crit and spell dmg from the set bonuses, not from the individual items in the set. If all 4 items in the set had equivalent stats to the one item I mentioned, then the combined bonus of the items and set bonuses would be about 2x spell crit and 5x spell dmg than the set bonuses alone would provide. So the poster's comparison of the 4 item set using only the set bonuses to 4 random treasured items was flawed and that is what Fyreflyte was pointing out in his post.

Alright as long as she was not talking about the stats i mentioned like they mean anything in this game anymore I stand corrected.

**Novusod**

Do you have something against making boots Fyreflyte. You wouldn't happen to be a halfling would you? So many other items but never any boots. Been using same treasured pair since November. Come on need boots.

**Tesar**

Noaani wrote:

Tesar@Unrest wrote:
It's been a problem for a long time, it's time there was a solution.
Short of a coding change, you have 3 options.
Buy it on the broker.
Mentor and farm it.
Make do with an adept 3.
If I get a fabled drop in a T8 instance, I expect to be able to transmute it for T8 components. If they add in each of these masters in a manner that allows me to transmute t for T8 components, then as far as I am concerned they can go for it.
Otherwise, this is punishing those of us that have put the effort in to already getting them, as they would still have a chance to drop, and be virtually worthless to a T8 player.

How exactly would it be a "punishment" for a master spell/CA that is still being used by a character in the party to drop?

And what if your first 2 options don't work? I check the broker daily for 3 level 52-58 masters, Amazing Reflexes, Double Up and Enraging Demeanor, and I haven't seen any of those 3 on the broker in a year and a half on Unrest. I have mentored or been on an alt and run MoM, Hidden Cache and Poets 50+ times each and never had any of those 3 drop. That's over a week of time for nothing...that's a hell of alot of effort so don't even try that arguement. And that's not to mention Ruthless Cunning, the Bloodlines CA that isn't upgraded for rogues that was only discovered a few months ago on Unrest, so it's highly likely that's the only time it has EVER dropped on the server in over 3 years.

You want to transmute t8 masters, then run all the other t8 instances in the game and get your masters there, the odds there will be just as good of getting a master/fabled piece off the named, and since smart-loot isn't in effect there the odds that someone else in the group will need it will be less so you're more likely to win it to 'mute it.

**Hisenflaye**

Can we go a little more in depth with this spell related "smart loot" (that isn't really smart ... just kind of ... not dumb i guess). Will this "smart loot" master 1 system be only in RE 2.0 or will this be added to T8 instances / raids as well (or well ... could master 1's be added to raids at all /cough)? I didn't see this touched on, and was curious on it. (Despite the fact that M1's are almost nonexistant in ROK, this is a serious question).

**ClawHammr**

I recommend Smart Loot for Necros in all T8 Instances

I have never seen a T8 Master Necro Pet on Broker

**Rothgar**

I remember back in 2004/2005 when a master dropped it was a HUGE deal. The entire server would hear about it and it was really something to be proud of. Then fabled chests got more and more common. Now you can pretty much be guaranteed a master after a 30 minute instance run.

Make only masters drop that no one has scribed yet? Would you like fries with that? SMILEY

Mariss

Rothgar wrote:

I remember back in 2004/2005 when a master dropped it was a HUGE deal. The entire server would hear about it and it was really something to be proud of.

I wish it was still like that

**Kander**

So apparently the Smart Loot does actually look at scribed spells. I honestly did not know that, as the code is rather new and it worked differently then I had intended it.

So I am turning the smart loot down to 30% which means when a master drops, you have a 30% chance that it will be one that someone in the group needs for sure.

The drop rates are remaining the same.

**Hisenflaye**

Rothgar wrote:

I remember back in 2004/2005 when a master dropped it was a HUGE deal. The entire server would hear about it and it was really something to be proud of. Then fabled chests got more and more common. Now you can pretty much be guaranteed a master after a 30 minute instance run.

Before I reply, I'd like to state that in no way is the "guaranteed a master" comment you've made true in any way shape or form. It never has been, and as much as I'd like to complain about it I hope it doesn't (but that's another story found in another forum, because M1's should be rare but not impossible as current). I'm going to assume (to avoid conspiracy theories) that the RNG hates me, because I'm seeing 1 M1 in about every 15-20 instance runs and until recently every name in every instance was dropping wood. Wood usually means there's no M1 in that chest. I say recently, because the last 3-4 instances I've done were almost all ornate which after 6 months of almost completely wood chests, having a VoeS/CoA complete ornate run is pretty surprising.

So yea, I'm glad we're getting smart loot on the spell system, it's something we've needed since the addition of the armor based smart system; but I see no need to exaggerate the "guaranteed a master" line.

And thanks Kander for explaining that, that's what i had wanted to know and appreciate you looking into it for us.

**Lauraliane** · 06/06/2008 01:46:46

Kander wrote:

So apparently the Smart Loot does actually look at scribed spells. I honestly did not know that, as the code is rather new and it worked differently then I had intended it.
So I am turning the smart loot down to 30% which means when a master drops, you have a 30% chance that it will be one that someone in the group needs for sure.
The drop rates are remaining the same.

Putting smart loot on a percentage kinda kill the concept of smart loot don't you think ? If you got a full group with 6 different class, I could say there was 25% chance of a "smart" loot before, since 6 classes represent 1/4 of the total 24 classes SMILEY<img src=

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So now, what is it ? Is it smart loot 30% + 25% of 70% ? for a total of 47,5% to get a master for a class of the group if you are 6 differents classes ? Or is it only 30% saying basically that if the "smart loot" don't trigger then you won't get a master for a class of the group ?

Anyway, whatever it is 30% or 47,5% or even 50% aren't high enough to be called "smart" loot compared to the old 25%

The only good thing is that I won't drop "Harvest Mana" or "Blade of Ro" even more, since it seems than before I only managed to drop the most useless masters in the world. But still with that small smart loot percentage the broker will stay filled with Sk and Paladin Master for a while.

**ClawHammr**

Kander wrote:

So apparently the Smart Loot does actually look at scribed spells. I honestly did not know that, as the code is rather new and it worked differently then I had intended it.
So I am turning the smart loot down to 30% which means when a master drops, you have a 30% chance that it will be one that someone in the group needs for sure.
The drop rates are remaining the same.

I can live with that

Thanks Kander

**ClawHammr**

Rothgar wrote:

I remember back in 2004/2005 when a master dropped it was a HUGE deal. The entire server would hear about it and it was really something to be proud of. Then fabled chests got more and more common. Now you can pretty much be guaranteed a master after a 30 minute instance run.

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Even today with the "guaranteed Master after 30 mins" I still have yet to see a T8 Necro Master Pet for sale

So YES it would still be a HUGE deal for me to get a T8 Master Pet SMILEY

Smart Loot FTW

**Cinnimon**

Kander wrote:

So apparently the Smart Loot does actually look at scribed spells. I honestly did not know that, as the code is rather new and it worked differently then I had intended it.
So I am turning the smart loot down to 30% which means when a master drops, you have a 30% chance that it will be one that someone in the group needs for sure.
The drop rates are remaining the same

NOooo , All because a trasmuter wants it to be the same? 30% is low if you ask me why 30%? why not 50/50 or 75/25 to drop?

**theriatis**

I would *love* to get another Master instead of "Harvest Mana", which we have a dozen on it in the Broker... and nothing more. Regardless of the Money you have, if the Master does not drop, you cannot buy it.

Regards, theriatis.

P.S. It's Hammer Time ! SMILEY

**The-Plethora**

Anyone know what level enemies are going to be in here? up to 85 or so?.
It's very unlikely but if it was complete smart loot then what would stop someone who has all but the most hard to get and expensive master disbanding from group when opening chest and each night getting the most valuable master 1 to drop and sell.

I look forward to going through the zone and I must say it is very welcome having this level of dev feedback on a topic