Aela@Test wrote:

Broccoli@Nektulos wrote:

what about the rest of the people on test.

The problem is.. people on test know that most of the items that were gotten illegitamately were only part of the UT guild... however the rest of the players out there don't know this.. so we all look bad.. no one is going to want any of us on their server.  " width="15" height="15">

Aela, you sound like the polar opposite of Lucky and his ilk.  We'd love to have you on our server.

calderan wrote:

Marie-Ange Jourdelune wrote:

  I don't think it should be sufficient to declare to be none-guilty. A lot of criminals in jail actually had plead, none-guilty.

And about the material of the thread, it was a private email send to LFG than he simply cut and paste the content on his own thread. 

Great.  You read the first post in a thread with dozens of pages.  How about reading the rest?

Lol, make yourself the clown you want to give me the costume?

Here it is:
http://www.eq2flames.com/your-guild...html#post370668

I quote here:

[quote]
Scott has contacted me privately, from his email I quote:
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Is that enough for you?

The thread I was talking about, was the thread of FoH where Gallenite said it was not guilty.  Perhaps the fact that english is not my first language didn't help your understanding...  but more I reread my words in your quotes, more I think it was simple enough to be understand.

Marie-Ange

Exactly.

If you had asked me yesterday what I though of SoE customer relations I'd have given you a completely different answer than what I'm feeling now. They've completely dropped the ball on this.

Grimwell wrote:

Plans can change. That's not a big deal or a big surprise. Look at how much EQII has changed since launch; change can be a good thing. In this case, the problem was that when the person thought "I'd like to help these folks out." there was no public statement that the conditions for characters going on to, or off of the Test server had changed before it happened. Instead it was just done and not communicated.

Not surprisingly, people like to know when things change, and usually before it happens whenever possible. Then they can prepare for, and adjust to the change with minimal issues.  Had that been done before members of UT were moved to Unrest, this probably wouldn't have irritated nearly as many people as it has. 

ROFLMAO!!! So now you're telling us that this is an official change in SOE policy? That weeks or months ago it was decided that entire guilds would be allowed to be moved from Test to Live?  For free?  With all their illegitimately acquired gear, spells, loot, and levels? And that you hadn't gotten around to telling anyone about it yet? And that it just so happened that the first beneficiaries of this new policy are a guild with a documented history of getting dev favoritism over other players on Test (such as, but not limited to, the GM Goggles of Instant Epic Death)?

You must have aspirations to work on K Street.

Breanut@Butcherblock wrote:

Exactly.

If you had asked me yesterday what I though of SoE customer relations I'd have given you a completely different answer than what I'm feeling now. They've completely dropped the ball on this.

The real question here is that IF SOE did not know that (Some Dev Name Deleted) did this, what ELSE did he (or someone else) do that they don't know about?

No, I am telling you that before this was done it should have been discussed as a potential policy shift and then communicated. Then it would have been clear up front. In this case, that was obviously not done.

Why does anyone really care? I mean, really, the game is the same on all the servers. The rate at which you gain exp is doubled because Test is down more and buggier (hence, Test server), but the GAME is the same. Same mobs, same colors, same quests, same game.

I work at Sprint. I give my friends good deals on cell phones. I don't give anything to strangers with the sense of entitlement that everything should be free. This is against company policy. Hell, me posting on a message board for a computer game is against policy, but it's not hurting anyone. I'm sure everyone has their ways of getting around the rules where they work, and I don't doubt many of you think twice about exploiting them.

On that note, don't try to tell me this hurts you. There is no physical pain inflicted by people doing their friends a favor. If you are going to tell me you are experiencing emotional or psycological anguish, I'm going to tell you to go outside and get a second hobby.

How many of you give your friends the hook-up where you work, when possible? Let's put our torches and pitchforks down a second and ask ourselves if we really care, or if we're just upset that someone else gets a cookie and we don't.

Boo-hoo.

The real question here is that IF SOE did not know that Gallenite did this, what ELSE did he (or someone else) do that they don't know about?

And yeah a guy that has been around as long as Gallenite has should at least have knowledge comparable to LFG about ramifications of this kind of move and why moves were not aloowed off TEST.

 

Dendro wrote:

Grimwell wrote:

Plans can change. That's not a big deal or a big surprise. Look at how much EQII has changed since launch; change can be a good thing. In this case, the problem was that when the person thought "I'd like to help these folks out." there was no public statement that the conditions for characters going on to, or off of the Test server had changed before it happened. Instead it was just done and not communicated.

Not surprisingly, people like to know when things change, and usually before it happens whenever possible. Then they can prepare for, and adjust to the change with minimal issues.  Had that been done before members of UT were moved to Unrest, this probably wouldn't have irritated nearly as many people as it has. 

ROFLMAO!!! So now you're telling us that this is an official change in SOE policy? That weeks or months ago it was decided that entire guilds would be allowed to be moved from Test to Live?  For free?  With all their illegitimately acquired gear, spells, loot, and levels? And that you hadn't gotten around to telling anyone about it yet? And that it just so happened that the first beneficiaries of this new policy are a guild with a documented history of getting dev favoritism over other players on Test (such as, but not limited to, the GM Goggles of Instant Epic Death)?

You must have aspirations to work on K Street.

No, I am telling you that before this was done it should have been discussed as a potential policy shift and then communicated. Then it would have been clear up front. In this case, that was obviously not done.

These responses have been disapointing .. actually depressing.

I really wanted to have faith and believe that they would at LEAST lock the characters in question and freeze their broker sales while they worked to resolve how they would undo this disaster, but .. that hasn't happened.

You know that it's wrong for them to have been transferred off of test. Why don't you do something about it now. Take the first step in rebuilding the damage that was done to this community. Lock these toons immediately and start preparing them for their transfer BACK to test.

Man the more I read the worse the feeling I'm getting about this. After having toons on Vox and LoN playing the card game, what assurances are there that this type of mistakes or judgment calls have not been made elsewhere in the game, where the upshot is that it cost people real money.

At first I thought, so what, now I'm thinking that SOE need to act now to protect the integrity of all that the player base has worked towards. What about the other poor sods on test, do they get a shot at this too?

While I understand the desire to protect whoever made this decision I'd like to make it pretty clear after recent changes and communication issues, that players vote with their wallets if they get a sniff of something fishy.

Thank you to the people who bought this to the communities attention. IMO this should have already have been dealt with decisively and immediately, we only needed to know the outcome, not the decision making process, which obviously is still in progress. Someone with some 'stones' act now, before this degenerates further.

Dendro wrote:

Grimwell wrote:

Plans can change. That's not a big deal or a big surprise. Look at how much EQII has changed since launch; change can be a good thing. In this case, the problem was that when the person thought "I'd like to help these folks out." there was no public statement that the conditions for characters going on to, or off of the Test server had changed before it happened. Instead it was just done and not communicated.

Not surprisingly, people like to know when things change, and usually before it happens whenever possible. Then they can prepare for, and adjust to the change with minimal issues.  Had that been done before members of UT were moved to Unrest, this probably wouldn't have irritated nearly as many people as it has. 

ROFLMAO!!! So now you're telling us that this is an official change in SOE policy? That weeks or months ago it was decided that entire guilds would be allowed to be moved from Test to Live?  For free?  With all their illegitimately acquired gear, spells, loot, and levels? And that you hadn't gotten around to telling anyone about it yet? And that it just so happened that the first beneficiaries of this new policy are a guild with a documented history of getting dev favoritism over other players on Test (such as, but not limited to, the GM Goggles of Instant Epic Death)?

You must have aspirations to work on K Street.

No, I am telling you that before this was done it should have been discussed as a potential policy shift and then communicated. Then it would have been clear up front. In this case, that was obviously not done.

Gallenite was not involved in moving the guild from the test server. Go to this link for an explanation.

http://www.eq2flames.com/your-guild...est-soe-32.html