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General

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Why now after 3 years of saying no to Test->Live transfers have you transferred a guild from test to live servers without any apparent losses or costs?

For more details read here:
http://www.eq2flames.com/your-guild...html#post367501

Message edited by Sexyfemaleirl on 12/12/2007 20:30:03.


Loremaster

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I would imagine it's because people on test have been begging people on these forums to come play there because the population on test was very low...Especially if others on test have now found out that this guild has been moved and they want to move also...What is SOE going to say? No? they have already moved people...

If SOE want's to make this right they need to cut these people's levels in half and remove their equipment...but then I doubt any of them would stay....


If this is true...and it looks like it might be, then it shows favoritism at an epic level....It doesn't surprise me though...SOE turns a blind eye to other types of cheating..I never knew they would actually instigate it...I hope this is all BS...I don't know if I could continue to play their games knowing that they would do this...



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If this is true - and it certainly looks like it is - then this is the most appalling betrayal of all those of us who levelled without the test adventure bonus and dev help.

I really can't believe SOE did this. I'm completely stunned.


Sr. Producer

Joined: Nov 20, 2004
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Howdy folks,

I can understand your concern and definately appreciate that some folks might be upset, but let us sort this out and figure out exactly what is going on.  Updates to follow as we have details. 


Thanks




General

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Test server is double experience rate, also other differences too - hence the title Test.  It has always been stated transfers off Test to a live server would NEVER be allowed due to this and yet it appears that this has indeed occured.

If this has happened why have these players levels not been cut by half, and why this particular guild?

Are people on the PvP and Bazaar servers also entitled to transfers now seeing as this has occured?  Are the rest of the players on test now also entitled to a transfer to a live server also?

Cannot believe that SOE have condoned this, it makes a complete mockery of all the players who levelled or are levelling a character on a live server.



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Easy now Wriggle, as Brenlo said, we are going to need to sort this out.. and that more than likely means tomorrow since most of the company is at home. We will share more, as we can but we need fair time considering the time of the day. SMILEY

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Test server is a dead server.. Chances are it would take longer to lvl on it regardless of the double XP .. maybe should make it triple just for it to be fair with the live servers..

The only real argument is Solo there vs live is much better, But hell the groups and ability to get anything other then solo gear is hell of alot harder then a live server with with a steady population ...



General

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Honestly, I think a mountain is being made out of a molehill here. If they had transferred to a PvP server, then yeah, I could see folks being upset. But to a PvE server? Seriously, why does it matter. It sounds like the Mythical gear they had was stripped, so they came over with the same fabled (and T7 fabled at that) that everyone else can get their hands on.

And what do people propose be done? The transfer is there, they're already part of the Unrest community now. Strip their gear and coin? Strip their levels? All SoE would be doing was ensure that they'd lose 50+ accounts.

And just to be clear, I'm not associated with the guild (never heard of them until now), have never played on Test and have no characters on Unrest. Ultimately I don't care one whit what happens as a result of this, but I'm still of the opinion that this is much ado about nothing.

Edit: LFG makes the comment that now that people on Test know this guild was moved, other guilds want to be moved too. I say fine, move them to any non-PvP server that they want. It's clear that the standard servers are all pretty much "test" servers anyway. Why have the distinction? SMILEY

 


Message edited by Kordran on 12/12/2007 23:16:03.

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Lord

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Brenlo wrote:

Howdy folks,

 definately appreciate that some folks might be upset


ummm
appreciate that some folks might be upset?  I hope this is a typo.



General

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I'm in the "what the heck does it matter" camp. A few more level 70-80 characters without mythical gear, they're going to affect your gameplay? XP might be doubled on Test but from all accounts life is actually easier on a regular server with a functioning economy and enough people to group with.

If they were moved to a PvP server I'd completely agree that would be unfair. Otherwise, who cares?


General

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I can understand the time needed to be able to give more information on this, will be interesting to see what comes to light.

That this has happened is important for a variety of reasons, some of which are:

1.  Double experience rates given on Test.

2.  Differing levels of Dev interaction on Test, equipment obtained by different methods/handed out to test effects on raids, encounters etc?

3.  Mythical equipment may have been stripped but other equipment no matter how gained was not?

3.  No level adjustment made to offset the increases experience rates, rationalise it how you will, the experience rates on test are different in an advantageous way.

4.  Opening the door for possible duping?

It goes without saying that everyone appreciates the who people play on test to fine tune advances/content for the game as a whole.  These people choose to play on test, they do so knowing the rules, is it now the case that if you play on test for a given length of time you can transfer across after this and the increased experience rates and all other aforementioned differences concerns are a reward for doing such? 

Also if the reason is given that the Test server is underpopulated and used as an excuse as to why these transfers do not matter, it will not stand up.  There are many players who have levelled/levelling on other low/lower populated servers also, players who for a myriad of reasons solo play, should they recieve double experience and altered levels of Dev interaction too?

That it is only a few people and that it doesnt really matter is not the problem here, the problem is allowing players who have levelled under advantageous experience/equipment gain conditions to transfer.  It smacks of favouritism and reward no matter how it is spun.

If one guild is allowed to transfer off then all should be allowed to do so should they wish.  A clear set of guidelines should be implemented to make sure that it is fair to the game community as a whole - and done so openly and honestly.

What really is important here is the way this was conducted, the obvious lack of communication internally about this and the fact that despite clear assurances from SOE that this would never occur it most obviously has.  Are official statements and rules to be disregarded willy nilly now and mean nothing whatsoever?

As I stated previously; I understand the need for time to look into what has gone on in this situation before any information can be given.  I am going to wait until official information is forthcoming before posting again as there may very well be good reasons for this that have not been forthcoming as of yet.

 

 



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From what I understand it's a simple matter that if this did happen it wasn't supposed too.  Even if this one guild transfer doesn't bother anyone it's a bit important for SOE to find out how this happened and why.  At the least there's some miscommunication somewhere about CTS from Test to Live.  At worst there's something broken with the CTS that's allowing transfer's to take place that shouldn't be happening. 

While this one instance might not bother many players, imagine if the way this was done could be duplicated for a transfer from a PVE - PVP, or even include the SE servers in that mix.  The issue isn't how this one time affects players, it's how to make sure the CTS is working properly and doesn't get exploited.

Like was mentioned earlier SOE is aware, they'll be looking into it and getting any problems fixed, and will likely deal with any unintended use of a /bugged CTS as they see necessary.  At the very least if this was an intended change it sounds like some communication was missed somewhere.  Which in itself can be an important issue.  We'll probably find out soon enough.

-Gil

Message edited by Gilamarth on 12/13/2007 00:36:16.

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Loremaster

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Just for clarification, it is a 50% bonus to experience not double. Basically the same as "bonus experience days" that occasionally occur on the live servers. SMILEY

 




General

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My guess is that free transfer for all servers is coming.


General

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Playing on Test with the xp bonus doesnt make it easier to play there at all SMILEY

As a Full time Test server player I heard rumors of this a few weeks ago but wanted to see proof before I commented.

I, and most people I've talked to do not blame, or are even upset that UT has been allowed to copy off Test;

However, we on Test now WANT the same opportunity from SoE to copy and are waiting from confirmation from SoE/Devs, etc about it happening and how we also can copy-




 
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