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We knew it was coming, it was too good to last.  the stack size on regional trade items has been nerfed from 10 to 1 (non-stackable).

The decks of the NPCs we have to parley have been strengthened too.  But they haven't touched the returns.

I call this a stealth nerf as it wasn't in the patch notes listed at http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/p...?topic_id=39227


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They better have stealth un-nerfed the Necro pets..

Gotta love the little changes now and then don't ya lol?



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For the record, I wrote those notes, they apparently just didn't make it in. SMILEY

Sorry! I'll be watching the feedback on these changes. Nelon especially was way too weak, but he has buffed up his diplomacy skills.

 Thanks,

-- Jansan, who has nothing to do with Necromancer



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Jansan wrote:

For the record, I wrote those notes, they apparently just didn't make it in. SMILEY

Sorry! I'll be watching the feedback on these changes. Nelon especially was way too weak, but he has buffed up his diplomacy skills.

 Thanks,

-- Jansan, who has nothing to do with Necromancer

Also, as I asked on VGTact, why do all of Nelon's cards have the Yellow Star on them, even the ones that don't have stars on them when they're in my hand?



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Chantillary@Seradon wrote:
Jansan wrote:

For the record, I wrote those notes, they apparently just didn't make it in. SMILEY

Sorry! I'll be watching the feedback on these changes. Nelon especially was way too weak, but he has buffed up his diplomacy skills.

 Thanks,

-- Jansan, who has nothing to do with Necromancer

Also, as I asked on VGTact, why do all of Nelon's cards have the Yellow Star on them, even the ones that don't have stars on them when they're in my hand?

Hmm, I'm not sure. That's the first I've heard of that. It sounds like a display issue. The cards he uses that are available to you are the exact same ability, not a different copy or anything.

Every single card had the star? Did he play Nelon's Babbling as his first card? That card should be starred. If he played it first, and then the next card he played had a star as well, it may just be UI.

Either way, the star itself doesn't affect the power of the card. It's just a notation. So it would just be a cosmetic (albeit confusing) bug.

-- Jansan



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Jansan wrote:
Chantillary@Seradon wrote:
Jansan wrote:

For the record, I wrote those notes, they apparently just didn't make it in. SMILEY

Sorry! I'll be watching the feedback on these changes. Nelon especially was way too weak, but he has buffed up his diplomacy skills.

 Thanks,

-- Jansan, who has nothing to do with Necromancer

Also, as I asked on VGTact, why do all of Nelon's cards have the Yellow Star on them, even the ones that don't have stars on them when they're in my hand?

Hmm, I'm not sure. That's the first I've heard of that. It sounds like a display issue. The cards he uses that are available to you are the exact same ability, not a different copy or anything.

Every single card had the star? Did he play Nelon's Babbling as his first card? That card should be starred. If he played it first, and then the next card he played had a star as well, it may just be UI.

Either way, the star itself doesn't affect the power of the card. It's just a notation. So it would just be a cosmetic (albeit confusing) bug.

-- Jansan

Nelon's Babbling and Cold Logic  both are cards that he opens with.  I'll try playing one of my specialty cards to see if all my cards display that way when played (once I finish defragging and file checking -- had a strange crash where the screen went black and I heard the parley sounds around me about once every 30 seconds, all of them compressed into one sound blast, had to kill the game to get out).



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Chantillary@Seradon wrote:
Jansan wrote:
Chantillary@Seradon wrote:
Jansan wrote:

For the record, I wrote those notes, they apparently just didn't make it in. SMILEY

Sorry! I'll be watching the feedback on these changes. Nelon especially was way too weak, but he has buffed up his diplomacy skills.

 Thanks,

-- Jansan, who has nothing to do with Necromancer

Also, as I asked on VGTact, why do all of Nelon's cards have the Yellow Star on them, even the ones that don't have stars on them when they're in my hand?

Hmm, I'm not sure. That's the first I've heard of that. It sounds like a display issue. The cards he uses that are available to you are the exact same ability, not a different copy or anything.

Every single card had the star? Did he play Nelon's Babbling as his first card? That card should be starred. If he played it first, and then the next card he played had a star as well, it may just be UI.

Either way, the star itself doesn't affect the power of the card. It's just a notation. So it would just be a cosmetic (albeit confusing) bug.

-- Jansan

Nelon's Babbling and Cold Logic  both are cards that he opens with.  I'll try playing one of my specialty cards to see if all my cards display that way when played (once I finish defragging and file checking -- had a strange crash where the screen went black and I heard the parley sounds around me about once every 30 seconds, all of them compressed into one sound blast, had to kill the game to get out).


Thanks! If you see any additional weirdness, please bug it and/or let me know if you get a chance. I would appreciate it. SMILEY

-- Jansan




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Since you are reading this thread Jansen, i just want to throw this out there as I have not seen it mentioned in quite some time...



Is no longer obtainable as the dragons that were dropping it were raised to lvl 100 when the plat coin change went live.

...sorry for the short derail.




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Shular wrote:
Since you are reading this thread Jansen, i just want to throw this out there as I have not seen it mentioned in quite some time...



Is no longer obtainable as the dragons that were dropping it were raised to lvl 100 when the plat coin change went live.

...sorry for the short derail.



Thanks Shular, I'll look into getting it back to dropping. SMILEY

-- Jansan



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Jansan wrote:
Chantillary@Seradon wrote:
Jansan wrote:
Chantillary@Seradon wrote:
Jansan wrote:

For the record, I wrote those notes, they apparently just didn't make it in. SMILEY

Sorry! I'll be watching the feedback on these changes. Nelon especially was way too weak, but he has buffed up his diplomacy skills.

 Thanks,

-- Jansan, who has nothing to do with Necromancer

Also, as I asked on VGTact, why do all of Nelon's cards have the Yellow Star on them, even the ones that don't have stars on them when they're in my hand?

Hmm, I'm not sure. That's the first I've heard of that. It sounds like a display issue. The cards he uses that are available to you are the exact same ability, not a different copy or anything.

Every single card had the star? Did he play Nelon's Babbling as his first card? That card should be starred. If he played it first, and then the next card he played had a star as well, it may just be UI.

Either way, the star itself doesn't affect the power of the card. It's just a notation. So it would just be a cosmetic (albeit confusing) bug.

-- Jansan

Nelon's Babbling and Cold Logic  both are cards that he opens with.  I'll try playing one of my specialty cards to see if all my cards display that way when played (once I finish defragging and file checking -- had a strange crash where the screen went black and I heard the parley sounds around me about once every 30 seconds, all of them compressed into one sound blast, had to kill the game to get out).


Thanks! If you see any additional weirdness, please bug it and/or let me know if you get a chance. I would appreciate it. SMILEY

-- Jansan

Ok, Once I played Harbinger of Guilt, every card I played had the star on it.  And Nelon started out by playing Twist of Wisdom -- it didn't have  the star on it, and none of them did until he played Nelon's Babbling, then every card had it.

So it is just a display issue.

Edit:  BTW, once I played the Harbinger of Guilt, all cards in my parleys with him are showing the star.  And it's possible to circumvent his Nelons Babbling or Cold Logic cards, by playing Scattered Impressions then Harbinger of Guilt to start -- unlike using Word trap, he doesn't react to my having a huge amount of expression on my side.

Message edited by Chaliirrlie on 09/16/2008 11:44:27.



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Chantillary@Seradon wrote:
Jansan wrote:
Chantillary@Seradon wrote:
Jansan wrote:
Chantillary@Seradon wrote:
Jansan wrote:

For the record, I wrote those notes, they apparently just didn't make it in. SMILEY

Sorry! I'll be watching the feedback on these changes. Nelon especially was way too weak, but he has buffed up his diplomacy skills.

 Thanks,

-- Jansan, who has nothing to do with Necromancer

Also, as I asked on VGTact, why do all of Nelon's cards have the Yellow Star on them, even the ones that don't have stars on them when they're in my hand?

Hmm, I'm not sure. That's the first I've heard of that. It sounds like a display issue. The cards he uses that are available to you are the exact same ability, not a different copy or anything.

Every single card had the star? Did he play Nelon's Babbling as his first card? That card should be starred. If he played it first, and then the next card he played had a star as well, it may just be UI.

Either way, the star itself doesn't affect the power of the card. It's just a notation. So it would just be a cosmetic (albeit confusing) bug.

-- Jansan

Nelon's Babbling and Cold Logic  both are cards that he opens with.  I'll try playing one of my specialty cards to see if all my cards display that way when played (once I finish defragging and file checking -- had a strange crash where the screen went black and I heard the parley sounds around me about once every 30 seconds, all of them compressed into one sound blast, had to kill the game to get out).


Thanks! If you see any additional weirdness, please bug it and/or let me know if you get a chance. I would appreciate it. SMILEY

-- Jansan

Ok, Once I played Harbinger of Guilt, every card I played had the star on it.  And Nelon started out by playing Twist of Wisdom -- it didn't have  the star on it, and none of them did until he played Nelon's Babbling, then every card had it.

So it is just a display issue.

Edit:  BTW, once I played the Harbinger of Guilt, all cards in my parleys with him are showing the star.  And it's possible to circumvent his Nelons Babbling or Cold Logic cards, by playing Scattered Impressions then Harbinger of Guilt to start -- unlike using Word trap, he doesn't react to my having a huge amount of expression on my side.

Thank you for the confirmation on this! SMILEY

-- Jansan



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I have this problem with every card I play. I never really looked if it persisted after playing one or that it was like that. I use CustomUI so I blamed it on that (not blaming you Slyde or any other UI maker, just there must be still something that didn't update correctly, it's fixed over time probably).

But yes. I was one of the people who suggested to split them up. Now I wonder what will happen with the stacks in my bag. But really carrying around 10 of those, I could parley to no end and made a good amount of money from it without a problem.

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Kindair@Xeth wrote:
I have this problem with every card I play. I never really looked if it persisted after playing one or that it was like that. I use CustomUI so I blamed it on that (not blaming you Slyde or any other UI maker, just there must be still something that didn't update correctly, it's fixed over time probably).



But yes. I was one of the people who suggested to split them up. Now I wonder what will happen with the stacks in my bag. But really carrying around 10 of those, I could parley to no end and made a good amount of money from it without a problem.
The stacks currently in your bag will remain as stacks until you use them up.



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Chantillary@Seradon wrote:
Kindair@Xeth wrote:
I have this problem with every card I play. I never really looked if it persisted after playing one or that it was like that. I use CustomUI so I blamed it on that (not blaming you Slyde or any other UI maker, just there must be still something that didn't update correctly, it's fixed over time probably).



But yes. I was one of the people who suggested to split them up. Now I wonder what will happen with the stacks in my bag. But really carrying around 10 of those, I could parley to no end and made a good amount of money from it without a problem.
The stacks currently in your bag will remain as stacks until you use them up.

You beat me to it! SMILEY

-- Jansan



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Jansan wrote:
Chantillary@Seradon wrote:
Kindair@Xeth wrote:
I have this problem with every card I play. I never really looked if it persisted after playing one or that it was like that. I use CustomUI so I blamed it on that (not blaming you Slyde or any other UI maker, just there must be still something that didn't update correctly, it's fixed over time probably).



But yes. I was one of the people who suggested to split them up. Now I wonder what will happen with the stacks in my bag. But really carrying around 10 of those, I could parley to no end and made a good amount of money from it without a problem.
The stacks currently in your bag will remain as stacks until you use them up.

You beat me to it! SMILEY

-- Jansan

Sorry.  Speaking from experience here, since I had a stack and a half of each of the 4 grey market goods, that I had previously found, on me when I logged out last night.

 
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